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		<title>By: Angel</title>
		<link>http://religioninamerica.org/2009/07/08/fundamentalisms-philosophy-of-history/#comment-21</link>
		<dc:creator>Angel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just amazed that two bright young men would focus all their energy on a topic like &quot;Fundamentalism&#039;s philosophy of history.&quot; I&#039;m being perfectly blunt here-- who really cares? One of the problems with Christian fundamentalism is its crippling habit of living in the past and focusing on the people, culture, and thoughts of the past. And while I know that an understanding of the past is essential to a vision for the future, I believe that discussion like this are the reason that Christianity has become stagnant-- a theology to be discussed rather than a faith to be lived. We should be looking at the people and culture and beliefs of today, understanding rather than judging them, and seeking to befriend rather than analyze them. When a Christian views an unbeliever only as a potential convert, the unbeliever senses that and reacts negatively. We should want to befriend people because they are human beings with intrinsic worth, not because we are angling for a convert. When we witness, it should be because we truly care. These long discussions on dry, dusty minor points of theology stand in the way of vibrant, vital Christianity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just amazed that two bright young men would focus all their energy on a topic like &#8220;Fundamentalism&#8217;s philosophy of history.&#8221; I&#8217;m being perfectly blunt here&#8211; who really cares? One of the problems with Christian fundamentalism is its crippling habit of living in the past and focusing on the people, culture, and thoughts of the past. And while I know that an understanding of the past is essential to a vision for the future, I believe that discussion like this are the reason that Christianity has become stagnant&#8211; a theology to be discussed rather than a faith to be lived. We should be looking at the people and culture and beliefs of today, understanding rather than judging them, and seeking to befriend rather than analyze them. When a Christian views an unbeliever only as a potential convert, the unbeliever senses that and reacts negatively. We should want to befriend people because they are human beings with intrinsic worth, not because we are angling for a convert. When we witness, it should be because we truly care. These long discussions on dry, dusty minor points of theology stand in the way of vibrant, vital Christianity.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://religioninamerica.org/2009/07/08/fundamentalisms-philosophy-of-history/#comment-20</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Fea wrote this &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.philipvickersfithian.com/2009/08/houston-chronicle-op-ed.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;op-ed&lt;/a&gt; for the Houston Chronicle that touches on the weakness of historical narratives that are shaped to heroize Christianity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Fea wrote this <a href="http://www.philipvickersfithian.com/2009/08/houston-chronicle-op-ed.html" rel="nofollow">op-ed</a> for the Houston Chronicle that touches on the weakness of historical narratives that are shaped to heroize Christianity.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://religioninamerica.org/2009/07/08/fundamentalisms-philosophy-of-history/#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do tend to agree with Austin, but I&#039;m still uncomfortable with the end result: a dichotomy between divine intervention and human action. I was raised in the home of a believing, analytical chemist. My father had no problem acknowledging divine intervention, but he believed that God mostly chose to intervene in human events using natural means. Natural processes like chemical reactions and the laws of thermodynamics are as clear evidence of God&#039;s divine intervention as any &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_Wind&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Protestant Wind&lt;/a&gt;.&quot; (Funny that fundamentalist historians might be more at ease claiming the destruction of the Spanish Armada as divine intervention than they would be embracing Pat Robertson&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://mediamatters.org/research/200509130004&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;claims&lt;/a&gt; that Hurrican Katrina represented divine judgement! Perhaps we should call it the &quot;Evangelical Gust&quot;...)

I do not wish to model my practice of history after the practice of science by theistic evolutionists. The newly appointed Director of the National Institutes of Health, Francis Collins, essentially subsumes Scripture beneath science. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.slate.com/id/2222562/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Whenever&lt;/a&gt; the two appear to conflict he is quick to back the interpretation of the mainstream scientific community.

So I feel stuck between a rock (an essentially secular approach to history) and a hard place (simplistic, Whiggish Christian narratives). I suppose I would be more likely to integrate Scripture into history when explaining historical actions rather than in judging historical causes. For example, a Christian historian can adopt a condemnatory tone toward the lies of Richard Nixon without using historical events to judge the man. I do not believe that the lesson to be learned from Watergate is that &quot;Nixon reaped what he sowed.&quot; He sinned, and we can point that out, but his punishment is in God&#039;s hands, not ours. We should not interpret (or twist!) historic events to punish vice and reward virtue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do tend to agree with Austin, but I&#8217;m still uncomfortable with the end result: a dichotomy between divine intervention and human action. I was raised in the home of a believing, analytical chemist. My father had no problem acknowledging divine intervention, but he believed that God mostly chose to intervene in human events using natural means. Natural processes like chemical reactions and the laws of thermodynamics are as clear evidence of God&#8217;s divine intervention as any &#8220;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_Wind" rel="nofollow">Protestant Wind</a>.&#8221; (Funny that fundamentalist historians might be more at ease claiming the destruction of the Spanish Armada as divine intervention than they would be embracing Pat Robertson&#8217;s <a href="http://mediamatters.org/research/200509130004" rel="nofollow">claims</a> that Hurrican Katrina represented divine judgement! Perhaps we should call it the &#8220;Evangelical Gust&#8221;&#8230;)</p>
<p>I do not wish to model my practice of history after the practice of science by theistic evolutionists. The newly appointed Director of the National Institutes of Health, Francis Collins, essentially subsumes Scripture beneath science. <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2222562/" rel="nofollow">Whenever</a> the two appear to conflict he is quick to back the interpretation of the mainstream scientific community.</p>
<p>So I feel stuck between a rock (an essentially secular approach to history) and a hard place (simplistic, Whiggish Christian narratives). I suppose I would be more likely to integrate Scripture into history when explaining historical actions rather than in judging historical causes. For example, a Christian historian can adopt a condemnatory tone toward the lies of Richard Nixon without using historical events to judge the man. I do not believe that the lesson to be learned from Watergate is that &#8220;Nixon reaped what he sowed.&#8221; He sinned, and we can point that out, but his punishment is in God&#8217;s hands, not ours. We should not interpret (or twist!) historic events to punish vice and reward virtue.</p>
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		<title>By: Brenda T. Schoolfield</title>
		<link>http://religioninamerica.org/2009/07/08/fundamentalisms-philosophy-of-history/#comment-18</link>
		<dc:creator>Brenda T. Schoolfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 03:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(I know this is a late response----I&#039;m trying to catch up with you guys.)

If we (Christians) cannot integrate faith and learning, then we&#039;ve failed in the dominion mandate (from Creation). That&#039;s my short answer to the that question. I am working on a longer answer. That, though, is the start of my answer to the other questions as well. (Austin&#039;s first sentence is exactly right. Well said!!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(I know this is a late response&#8212;-I&#8217;m trying to catch up with you guys.)</p>
<p>If we (Christians) cannot integrate faith and learning, then we&#8217;ve failed in the dominion mandate (from Creation). That&#8217;s my short answer to the that question. I am working on a longer answer. That, though, is the start of my answer to the other questions as well. (Austin&#8217;s first sentence is exactly right. Well said!!)</p>
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		<title>By: Paul&#8217;s Philosophy of History, Part Two &#8211; Religion in America</title>
		<link>http://religioninamerica.org/2009/07/08/fundamentalisms-philosophy-of-history/#comment-17</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul&#8217;s Philosophy of History, Part Two &#8211; Religion in America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 03:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] narrative? Do we highlight progress or regress? Lincoln alluded to this tension in his last post. The theological differences between dispensationalism and reformed theology result in very [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] narrative? Do we highlight progress or regress? Lincoln alluded to this tension in his last post. The theological differences between dispensationalism and reformed theology result in very [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dean</title>
		<link>http://religioninamerica.org/2009/07/08/fundamentalisms-philosophy-of-history/#comment-16</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 02:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the clarification. I certainly look forward to your future posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the clarification. I certainly look forward to your future posts.</p>
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		<title>By: Lincoln Mullen</title>
		<link>http://religioninamerica.org/2009/07/08/fundamentalisms-philosophy-of-history/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>Lincoln Mullen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dean,

I don&#039;t mean to &quot;define&quot; a fundamentalist philosophy of history as dispensational, just to &quot;describe&quot; it as dispensational. In this post I&#039;m attempting to describe generally the fundamentalist philosophy of history, not to say that fundamentalists necessarily were (or necessarily must be) dispensationalist.

I make several generalizations in this post, and of course some are more certain than others. For example, I generalize that fundamentalists make a large role for the supernatural in their philosophy of history. I think that&#039;s a generalization that&#039;s virtually certain. On the other hand, I generalize that fundamentalists are premillennial and dispensationalist. This is a generalization that can only be made with big caveats. As Paul and I have both remarked, there were (and are) many fundamentalists who are postmillennial. And even among premillennial fundamentalists, there are many who are not dispensationalists.

So why, then, did I choose to generalize that fundamentalists are dispensationalists? From a purely academic perspective, premillennialism is a very strong influence on fundamentalism. I daresay that the majority of fundamentalists have been premillennialists. Certainly the BJU creed is deliberately ambiguous on this point. However, that creed was written in the 1920s. Since that point, most fundamentalists have become more definitive in their adherence to dispensationalism. Again, that&#039;s a generalization, and not a particularly nuanced one.

But my second reason for describing fundamentalists as dispensationalist is more personal. That is the strain of fundamentalism that has particularly influenced me. So, since the aim of this post is lay the groundwork for describing my own philosophy of history, I choose to focus on that part of fundamentalism.

In short, this post is descriptive, not normative. I&#039;m describing what fundamentalists (in general) are like, not what they should be like. Over the next couple weeks as we lay out our personal philosophies of history, I suspect that you and I will mostly agree. We look forward to interacting with you about that as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mean to &#8220;define&#8221; a fundamentalist philosophy of history as dispensational, just to &#8220;describe&#8221; it as dispensational. In this post I&#8217;m attempting to describe generally the fundamentalist philosophy of history, not to say that fundamentalists necessarily were (or necessarily must be) dispensationalist.</p>
<p>I make several generalizations in this post, and of course some are more certain than others. For example, I generalize that fundamentalists make a large role for the supernatural in their philosophy of history. I think that&#8217;s a generalization that&#8217;s virtually certain. On the other hand, I generalize that fundamentalists are premillennial and dispensationalist. This is a generalization that can only be made with big caveats. As Paul and I have both remarked, there were (and are) many fundamentalists who are postmillennial. And even among premillennial fundamentalists, there are many who are not dispensationalists.</p>
<p>So why, then, did I choose to generalize that fundamentalists are dispensationalists? From a purely academic perspective, premillennialism is a very strong influence on fundamentalism. I daresay that the majority of fundamentalists have been premillennialists. Certainly the BJU creed is deliberately ambiguous on this point. However, that creed was written in the 1920s. Since that point, most fundamentalists have become more definitive in their adherence to dispensationalism. Again, that&#8217;s a generalization, and not a particularly nuanced one.</p>
<p>But my second reason for describing fundamentalists as dispensationalist is more personal. That is the strain of fundamentalism that has particularly influenced me. So, since the aim of this post is lay the groundwork for describing my own philosophy of history, I choose to focus on that part of fundamentalism.</p>
<p>In short, this post is descriptive, not normative. I&#8217;m describing what fundamentalists (in general) are like, not what they should be like. Over the next couple weeks as we lay out our personal philosophies of history, I suspect that you and I will mostly agree. We look forward to interacting with you about that as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean</title>
		<link>http://religioninamerica.org/2009/07/08/fundamentalisms-philosophy-of-history/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it unfortunate that a fundamentalist philosophy of history is by definition dispensational. I do not believe this reflects the roots of fundamentalism. Even the BJU creed only speaks of the bodily return of Christ and not the millennium or the timing of Christ&#039;s return. Bob Jones Jr. in his booklet &quot;Fundamentals of the Faith&quot; (this is a brief examination of the BJU creed) made it clear that the details of escatology were areas of disagreement among good men and those distinctions should not be part of the creed. In short, I don&#039;t believe dispensationalism (or premillennialism) should be elevated to a fundamental doctrine and it represents a weakness in fundamentalism&#039;s philosophy of history.

As a believer in &quot;The Fundamentals&quot; I can certainly ascribe to the first point of supernaturalism. I would add to that God&#039;s sovereignty in history. My personal philosophy of history would also include both redemptive and covenantal aspects of God&#039;s dealing with man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it unfortunate that a fundamentalist philosophy of history is by definition dispensational. I do not believe this reflects the roots of fundamentalism. Even the BJU creed only speaks of the bodily return of Christ and not the millennium or the timing of Christ&#8217;s return. Bob Jones Jr. in his booklet &#8220;Fundamentals of the Faith&#8221; (this is a brief examination of the BJU creed) made it clear that the details of escatology were areas of disagreement among good men and those distinctions should not be part of the creed. In short, I don&#8217;t believe dispensationalism (or premillennialism) should be elevated to a fundamental doctrine and it represents a weakness in fundamentalism&#8217;s philosophy of history.</p>
<p>As a believer in &#8220;The Fundamentals&#8221; I can certainly ascribe to the first point of supernaturalism. I would add to that God&#8217;s sovereignty in history. My personal philosophy of history would also include both redemptive and covenantal aspects of God&#8217;s dealing with man.</p>
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		<title>By: Lincoln Mullen</title>
		<link>http://religioninamerica.org/2009/07/08/fundamentalisms-philosophy-of-history/#comment-13</link>
		<dc:creator>Lincoln Mullen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 15:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting! Does that church building still stand? If it does, perhaps you can get a tour and some photographs for our &quot;historical sites&quot; category.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting! Does that church building still stand? If it does, perhaps you can get a tour and some photographs for our &#8220;historical sites&#8221; category.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://religioninamerica.org/2009/07/08/fundamentalisms-philosophy-of-history/#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clarence Larkin lived in Fox Chase, PA when he made those charts (see the imprint in the lower lefthand corner). He pastored Bethany Baptist Church at 460 Rhawn Street which, ironically, happens to be 1.6 miles away from my apartment on the same street.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clarence Larkin lived in Fox Chase, PA when he made those charts (see the imprint in the lower lefthand corner). He pastored Bethany Baptist Church at 460 Rhawn Street which, ironically, happens to be 1.6 miles away from my apartment on the same street.</p>
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