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	<title>Comments on: Cambodian Animism and American Religious History</title>
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		<title>By: Lincoln Mullen</title>
		<link>http://religioninamerica.org/2010/05/16/cambodian-animism-and-american-religious-history/#comment-111</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lincoln Mullen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 04:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another source for folk religion in the seventeenth century is Jon Butler, &lt;em&gt;Awash in a Sea of Faith: Christianizing the American People &lt;/em&gt; (1992).

Finding folk religion or animism in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries does seem more difficult. Might there be a connection between the healing practices of folk religions and faith healing? That&#039;s just a guess, but that&#039;s where I would start looking.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another source for folk religion in the seventeenth century is Jon Butler, <em>Awash in a Sea of Faith: Christianizing the American People </em> (1992).</p>
<p>Finding folk religion or animism in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries does seem more difficult. Might there be a connection between the healing practices of folk religions and faith healing? That&#8217;s just a guess, but that&#8217;s where I would start looking.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 03:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with you completely that civil religion and Protestantism in America have a deep syncretic relationship. Furthermore, civil religion is outside official religion-dom.

But I&#039;m still unsure of to what degree that civil religion can be considered folk religion. If official religions are the veneer foisted upon a resistant, superstitious lower sort who hold onto magic, rituals, and traditions, then folk religion is a grassroots sort of movement emanating from the lowly rather than the elites. American civil religion seems much the opposite, being a construction of political parties during the early Republic who turned the Founding Fathers into secular saints and the American people into a new chosen people.

This in no way undercuts your broader point that civil religion and evangelicalism are syncretic. I could not agree with you more.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you completely that civil religion and Protestantism in America have a deep syncretic relationship. Furthermore, civil religion is outside official religion-dom.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m still unsure of to what degree that civil religion can be considered folk religion. If official religions are the veneer foisted upon a resistant, superstitious lower sort who hold onto magic, rituals, and traditions, then folk religion is a grassroots sort of movement emanating from the lowly rather than the elites. American civil religion seems much the opposite, being a construction of political parties during the early Republic who turned the Founding Fathers into secular saints and the American people into a new chosen people.</p>
<p>This in no way undercuts your broader point that civil religion and evangelicalism are syncretic. I could not agree with you more.</p>
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		<title>By: Devin Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Devin Thomas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 00:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Paul: Sorry for the confusion -- I wasn&#039;t suggesting that civil religion fits the definition of animism; alternatively, I was attempting to answer the question you posed (&quot;Can syncretistic folk religion exist in a country without a legal religious establishment?&quot;) in relation to my areas of interest (20th century American religious history, Anabaptism, etc.). As I was attempting to demonstrate, I believe civil religion functions that way in the context of the United States.

But in answer to the question you pose in your comment: I see the point you&#039;re trying to make; certainly scholars have been debating the function of civil religion for decades. I would say that, in my assessment, civil religion does operate &quot;outside the &#039;forms of the official religion,&#039;&quot; especially in many fundamentalist and evangelical communities. For instance, in Bellah&#039;s assessment of civil religion as &quot;the official religion itself (in a cultural sense),&quot; he argues that the term &quot;God&quot; functions not necessarily in describing the Judeo-Christian deity (Jehovah) but as a sort of generic term for a higher power. Yet as civil religion functions (in its Christian nationalism sense, within the &quot;official religion&quot; of Christian evangelical Protestantism), the term &quot;God&quot; certain has a more concrete and specific meaning. So even has &quot;He&quot; (God) blesses the nation, &quot;He&quot; also blesses specifically those who confess being &quot;born again.&quot; In this sense, civil religion functions within the &quot;official religion,&quot; rather than outside of it.

Of course, all this depends upon how we qualify Christian nationalist tendencies within American evangelicalism, so my point is certainly up for debate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul: Sorry for the confusion &#8212; I wasn&#8217;t suggesting that civil religion fits the definition of animism; alternatively, I was attempting to answer the question you posed (&#8220;Can syncretistic folk religion exist in a country without a legal religious establishment?&#8221;) in relation to my areas of interest (20th century American religious history, Anabaptism, etc.). As I was attempting to demonstrate, I believe civil religion functions that way in the context of the United States.</p>
<p>But in answer to the question you pose in your comment: I see the point you&#8217;re trying to make; certainly scholars have been debating the function of civil religion for decades. I would say that, in my assessment, civil religion does operate &#8220;outside the &#8216;forms of the official religion,&#8217;&#8221; especially in many fundamentalist and evangelical communities. For instance, in Bellah&#8217;s assessment of civil religion as &#8220;the official religion itself (in a cultural sense),&#8221; he argues that the term &#8220;God&#8221; functions not necessarily in describing the Judeo-Christian deity (Jehovah) but as a sort of generic term for a higher power. Yet as civil religion functions (in its Christian nationalism sense, within the &#8220;official religion&#8221; of Christian evangelical Protestantism), the term &#8220;God&#8221; certain has a more concrete and specific meaning. So even has &#8220;He&#8221; (God) blesses the nation, &#8220;He&#8221; also blesses specifically those who confess being &#8220;born again.&#8221; In this sense, civil religion functions within the &#8220;official religion,&#8221; rather than outside of it.</p>
<p>Of course, all this depends upon how we qualify Christian nationalist tendencies within American evangelicalism, so my point is certainly up for debate.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://religioninamerica.org/2010/05/16/cambodian-animism-and-american-religious-history/#comment-108</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 23:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Devin, thanks for pointing me toward Don Yoder. I was not familiar with his work.

I&#039;m not sure though if civil religion fits the definition of animism as the belief that all of nature is inhabited by spirits that have influence over human affairs. I would quickly agree with you that civil religion is a powerful force in American society. I&#039;m not sure how civil religion would fits exactly. Is it a folk religion, outside the &quot;forms of the official religion&quot;? Or is it the official religion itself (in a cultural sense)?

Food for thought. Thanks for the contribution!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Devin, thanks for pointing me toward Don Yoder. I was not familiar with his work.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure though if civil religion fits the definition of animism as the belief that all of nature is inhabited by spirits that have influence over human affairs. I would quickly agree with you that civil religion is a powerful force in American society. I&#8217;m not sure how civil religion would fits exactly. Is it a folk religion, outside the &#8220;forms of the official religion&#8221;? Or is it the official religion itself (in a cultural sense)?</p>
<p>Food for thought. Thanks for the contribution!</p>
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		<title>By: JohnMatzko</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JohnMatzko]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 16:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d recommend the monster tome D. Michael Quinn, &lt;i&gt;Early Mormonism and the Magic World View&lt;/i&gt; (1998)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d recommend the monster tome D. Michael Quinn, <i>Early Mormonism and the Magic World View</i> (1998)</p>
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		<title>By: Devin Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Devin Thomas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 16:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great thoughts, Paul. It seems to me that Robert Bellah and Martin Marty have already identified a folk religion (of sorts) in contemporary U.S. religious history: civil religion. If we take our cue from Don Yoder&#039;s definition of folk religion (&quot;the totality of all those views and practices of religion that exist among the people apart from and alongside the strictly theological and liturgical forms of the official religion&quot;), we can see how the national self-worship that Bellah/Marty identified as the core of American civil religion constitutes a folk religion of sorts.

I&#039;m curious about how we perceive this folk religion in U.S. Protestantism as problematic. Certainly within one of the fields I study (Anabaptism), scholars and theologians find the contemporary conflation of Christianity and American nationalism troubling. But should those within non-Anabaptist traditions (i.e., those traditions without a clearly defined two-kingdom theology) find such confluence similarly troubling? And without a doubt Anabaptists have their own problematic folk religions/civil religions (for more on this, see Goshen College professor Steve Miller&#039;s essay at Religion in American History - http://usreligion.blogspot.com/2010/03/goshen-college-gets-civil-religion.html) that need to be addressed.

Thanks for a thought-provoking post!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great thoughts, Paul. It seems to me that Robert Bellah and Martin Marty have already identified a folk religion (of sorts) in contemporary U.S. religious history: civil religion. If we take our cue from Don Yoder&#8217;s definition of folk religion (&#8220;the totality of all those views and practices of religion that exist among the people apart from and alongside the strictly theological and liturgical forms of the official religion&#8221;), we can see how the national self-worship that Bellah/Marty identified as the core of American civil religion constitutes a folk religion of sorts.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious about how we perceive this folk religion in U.S. Protestantism as problematic. Certainly within one of the fields I study (Anabaptism), scholars and theologians find the contemporary conflation of Christianity and American nationalism troubling. But should those within non-Anabaptist traditions (i.e., those traditions without a clearly defined two-kingdom theology) find such confluence similarly troubling? And without a doubt Anabaptists have their own problematic folk religions/civil religions (for more on this, see Goshen College professor Steve Miller&#8217;s essay at Religion in American History &#8211; <a href="http://usreligion.blogspot.com/2010/03/goshen-college-gets-civil-religion.html" rel="nofollow">http://usreligion.blogspot.com/2010/03/goshen-college-gets-civil-religion.html</a>) that need to be addressed.</p>
<p>Thanks for a thought-provoking post!</p>
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