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	<title>Comments on: The Cultural History of American Fundamentalism: A Review Essay</title>
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		<title>By: Nathan Phillips</title>
		<link>http://religioninamerica.org/2010/06/01/the-cultural-history-of-american-fundamentalism-a-review-essay/#comment-128</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nathan Phillips]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2011 20:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In &quot;A History of Fundamentalism in America&quot;, Dr George W Dollar defines &quot;Historic Fundamentalism&quot; as &quot;the literal exposition of all the affirmations and attitudes of the Bible and the militant exposure of all non-Biblical affirmations and attitudes&quot;. This book was the first ever published by BJU Press in 1973 and still regarded as the definitive classic by many in those circles.

While this definition does not cover all modern fundamentalists, it has held true for the key group of fundamentalists who have fought for and advanced the core beliefs from which many differing forms and variations have sprung over the decades.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In &#8220;A History of Fundamentalism in America&#8221;, Dr George W Dollar defines &#8220;Historic Fundamentalism&#8221; as &#8220;the literal exposition of all the affirmations and attitudes of the Bible and the militant exposure of all non-Biblical affirmations and attitudes&#8221;. This book was the first ever published by BJU Press in 1973 and still regarded as the definitive classic by many in those circles.</p>
<p>While this definition does not cover all modern fundamentalists, it has held true for the key group of fundamentalists who have fought for and advanced the core beliefs from which many differing forms and variations have sprung over the decades.</p>
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		<title>By: Lincoln Mullen</title>
		<link>http://religioninamerica.org/2010/06/01/the-cultural-history-of-american-fundamentalism-a-review-essay/#comment-127</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lincoln Mullen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 16:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Jonathan: I think you&#039;re right that the fundamentalists&#039; self-definition has narrowed a great deal. The ability of fundamentalists to define their terms of membership so narrowly is due in part to the reluctance of people to take the name fundamentalist.

on a related note . . .

@Devin: I think we&#039;re in basic agreement that the term &quot;fundamentalist&quot; has to be used with caution, and that it certainly cannot be used as a blanket label for any &quot;dangerous other.&quot; Perhaps the only point where we differ is that I think it&#039;s best to use the names people use for themselves whenever possible. So, if people after the 1930s calls themselves fundamentalists, they&#039;re fundamentalists. It&#039;s the historian&#039;s job to sort out how that self-definition has changed.

It&#039;s understood that terms have to be taken in their chronological and geographical context. So, for example, it&#039;s perfectly legitimate to use the term &quot;evangelical&quot; for sixteenth-century Lutherans, eighteenth-century Congregationalists, and twentieth-century Bible churches, with the understanding that the term differs a great deal in each instance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jonathan: I think you&#8217;re right that the fundamentalists&#8217; self-definition has narrowed a great deal. The ability of fundamentalists to define their terms of membership so narrowly is due in part to the reluctance of people to take the name fundamentalist.</p>
<p>on a related note . . .</p>
<p>@Devin: I think we&#8217;re in basic agreement that the term &#8220;fundamentalist&#8221; has to be used with caution, and that it certainly cannot be used as a blanket label for any &#8220;dangerous other.&#8221; Perhaps the only point where we differ is that I think it&#8217;s best to use the names people use for themselves whenever possible. So, if people after the 1930s calls themselves fundamentalists, they&#8217;re fundamentalists. It&#8217;s the historian&#8217;s job to sort out how that self-definition has changed.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s understood that terms have to be taken in their chronological and geographical context. So, for example, it&#8217;s perfectly legitimate to use the term &#8220;evangelical&#8221; for sixteenth-century Lutherans, eighteenth-century Congregationalists, and twentieth-century Bible churches, with the understanding that the term differs a great deal in each instance.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Matzko</title>
		<link>http://religioninamerica.org/2010/06/01/the-cultural-history-of-american-fundamentalism-a-review-essay/#comment-126</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Matzko]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 18:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David Watt has been a gracious advisor and a continual encouragement over the past three years. He&#039;s also really quite funny. I&#039;m glad you&#039;re going to have the chance to work with him!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Watt has been a gracious advisor and a continual encouragement over the past three years. He&#8217;s also really quite funny. I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;re going to have the chance to work with him!</p>
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		<title>By: Devin Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Devin Thomas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 16:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Paul: I&#039;ll be starting my M.A. work in public history/American religious history at Temple in the fall, hoping to work under the direction of Dr. Watt and Dr. Seth Bruggeman. Congrats on completing your thesis!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Paul: I&#8217;ll be starting my M.A. work in public history/American religious history at Temple in the fall, hoping to work under the direction of Dr. Watt and Dr. Seth Bruggeman. Congrats on completing your thesis!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Matzko</title>
		<link>http://religioninamerica.org/2010/06/01/the-cultural-history-of-american-fundamentalism-a-review-essay/#comment-124</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Matzko]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 16:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Devin: I think your summary of Watt&#039;s concept of fundamentalism is accurate. I just finished my MA thesis under Watt&#039;s direction. He criticizes the contemporary usage of fundamentalism as a catch-all phrase for any religious &quot;dangerous other.&quot; He finds it ironic that post-structural liberals (like himself) say that they value diversity and tolerance but show little tolerance for fundamentalists.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Devin: I think your summary of Watt&#8217;s concept of fundamentalism is accurate. I just finished my MA thesis under Watt&#8217;s direction. He criticizes the contemporary usage of fundamentalism as a catch-all phrase for any religious &#8220;dangerous other.&#8221; He finds it ironic that post-structural liberals (like himself) say that they value diversity and tolerance but show little tolerance for fundamentalists.</p>
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		<title>By: Devin Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Devin Thomas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 15:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Apologies all around: I believe I&#039;ve misrepresented (to a certain extent) Watt&#039;s conjecture. Here&#039;s a quote from an article he published (related to the forthcoming book) on the linguistic limits of terms related to &quot;fundamentalist&quot;: &quot;Phrases such as very religious, revivalist, maximalist, and traditionalist are not perfect. But they have the great advantage of not censuring the class of human beings that they create.&quot;

You&#039;ll note that Watt doesn&#039;t use the term &quot;extremist&quot;; that was my error.

@Lincoln: I think you&#039;re right to suggest that &quot;fundamentalism&quot; is &quot;still a useful category of analysis, as long as one is precise as possible.&quot; I think Watt would concur to the extent that &quot;fundamentalist&quot; describes well a group of religious and social conservatives that emerged during the 1920s and 1930s. He would also contend (I think) that the term &quot;fundamentalist&quot; does not necessarily aptly describe the religious, social, and political progeny of the 1920s/30s movement, and that therefore a new category is necessary.

He would also see the contemporary politicization of the term &quot;fundamentalist&quot; as unhelpful, and therefore worth reconsidering.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies all around: I believe I&#8217;ve misrepresented (to a certain extent) Watt&#8217;s conjecture. Here&#8217;s a quote from an article he published (related to the forthcoming book) on the linguistic limits of terms related to &#8220;fundamentalist&#8221;: &#8220;Phrases such as very religious, revivalist, maximalist, and traditionalist are not perfect. But they have the great advantage of not censuring the class of human beings that they create.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll note that Watt doesn&#8217;t use the term &#8220;extremist&#8221;; that was my error.</p>
<p>@Lincoln: I think you&#8217;re right to suggest that &#8220;fundamentalism&#8221; is &#8220;still a useful category of analysis, as long as one is precise as possible.&#8221; I think Watt would concur to the extent that &#8220;fundamentalist&#8221; describes well a group of religious and social conservatives that emerged during the 1920s and 1930s. He would also contend (I think) that the term &#8220;fundamentalist&#8221; does not necessarily aptly describe the religious, social, and political progeny of the 1920s/30s movement, and that therefore a new category is necessary.</p>
<p>He would also see the contemporary politicization of the term &#8220;fundamentalist&#8221; as unhelpful, and therefore worth reconsidering.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 14:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Lincoln: Does  fundamentalism (as we&#039;ve experienced it) have room for another religious identity? For example, consider the recent flap in the FBFI over Calvinism. Some fundamentalists seem to define fundamentalism as a collection of religious identities (soteriological, eschatological, social, etc. ). Variation from these tenets seems to result in exclusion from the movement instead of being able to broaden the movement.

@Devin: How does Watt use the term &quot;Christian extremist&quot;? The movement&#039;s understanding of creedal orthodoxy seems hardly extreme. Is this referring to the cultural accretions that current fundamentalists maintain?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Lincoln: Does  fundamentalism (as we&#8217;ve experienced it) have room for another religious identity? For example, consider the recent flap in the FBFI over Calvinism. Some fundamentalists seem to define fundamentalism as a collection of religious identities (soteriological, eschatological, social, etc. ). Variation from these tenets seems to result in exclusion from the movement instead of being able to broaden the movement.</p>
<p>@Devin: How does Watt use the term &#8220;Christian extremist&#8221;? The movement&#8217;s understanding of creedal orthodoxy seems hardly extreme. Is this referring to the cultural accretions that current fundamentalists maintain?</p>
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		<title>By: Lincoln Mullen</title>
		<link>http://religioninamerica.org/2010/06/01/the-cultural-history-of-american-fundamentalism-a-review-essay/#comment-121</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lincoln Mullen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 02:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Paul: Thanks for the citation to Hart&#039;s article. That sounds like a worthy read.

@Jonathan: I agree with Paul&#039;s answer to your question. The key, as Carpenter brings out, is that one could have an identity as a fundamentalist and yet also have another religious identity. I&#039;m not sure that doomsaying and social reform are necessarily mutually exclusive, even in the same person.

@Devin: I certainly agree that the term &lt;em&gt;fundamentalist&lt;/em&gt; is a very difficult one to use properly. But I think it&#039;s still a useful category of analysis, as long as one is precise as possible. I don&#039;t want to argue against Watt&#039;s book, which I obviously haven&#039;t read. But speaking generally, the term &lt;em&gt;fundamentalist&lt;/em&gt; is still a category which plenty of people identify with. When possible, it seems best to use labels that people would use for themselves. I can&#039;t imagine the term &lt;em&gt;Christian extremist&lt;/em&gt; being more precise or less condescending than the term &lt;em&gt;fundamentalist&lt;/em&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Paul: Thanks for the citation to Hart&#8217;s article. That sounds like a worthy read.</p>
<p>@Jonathan: I agree with Paul&#8217;s answer to your question. The key, as Carpenter brings out, is that one could have an identity as a fundamentalist and yet also have another religious identity. I&#8217;m not sure that doomsaying and social reform are necessarily mutually exclusive, even in the same person.</p>
<p>@Devin: I certainly agree that the term <em>fundamentalist</em> is a very difficult one to use properly. But I think it&#8217;s still a useful category of analysis, as long as one is precise as possible. I don&#8217;t want to argue against Watt&#8217;s book, which I obviously haven&#8217;t read. But speaking generally, the term <em>fundamentalist</em> is still a category which plenty of people identify with. When possible, it seems best to use labels that people would use for themselves. I can&#8217;t imagine the term <em>Christian extremist</em> being more precise or less condescending than the term <em>fundamentalist</em>.</p>
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		<title>By: Devin Thomas</title>
		<link>http://religioninamerica.org/2010/06/01/the-cultural-history-of-american-fundamentalism-a-review-essay/#comment-120</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Devin Thomas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 19:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great essay, Lincoln.

I am excited to see how the definition of &quot;fundamentalist&quot; will shift yet again with the publication of Watt&#039;s upcoming book, &quot;Fundamentalism: A Brief History.&quot; As far as I understand it, Watt is arguing in the book (as elsewhere) that the term &quot;fundamentalism&quot; has in fact lost much of its power in the decades since the 1930s, and that it has now become an unhelpful category in American religious history. To put that another way: today&#039;s Christian fundamentalists look (and act) much differently than yesterday&#039;s Christian fundamentalists, so how should we proceed in understanding them? He argues that a new term -- perhaps &quot;Christian extremist,&quot; or something like that -- should be used in delineating the &quot;new&quot; from the &quot;old.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great essay, Lincoln.</p>
<p>I am excited to see how the definition of &#8220;fundamentalist&#8221; will shift yet again with the publication of Watt&#8217;s upcoming book, &#8220;Fundamentalism: A Brief History.&#8221; As far as I understand it, Watt is arguing in the book (as elsewhere) that the term &#8220;fundamentalism&#8221; has in fact lost much of its power in the decades since the 1930s, and that it has now become an unhelpful category in American religious history. To put that another way: today&#8217;s Christian fundamentalists look (and act) much differently than yesterday&#8217;s Christian fundamentalists, so how should we proceed in understanding them? He argues that a new term &#8212; perhaps &#8220;Christian extremist,&#8221; or something like that &#8212; should be used in delineating the &#8220;new&#8221; from the &#8220;old.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: JohnMatzko</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nicely done, Lincoln.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicely done, Lincoln.</p>
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